But with the fifth guy I got stuff running with a bunch of merceneries I was able to declere independence from the duke of Hellas (in 769 Byzantium controls only one county in the duchy of Hellas. But from the third generation on I had the hellene secret society running, and it got almost 100 members in the end. I had schemes to inherit a couple of counties but those went nowhere. So for like 4 generations I had no progress.
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